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The Obama Legacy - Week 201

As I write this we are entering into the Christmas season and it is snowing outside. While we sit in our warm homes and get ready for the parties and family gatherings that will soon take place it is important to not forget the reason for the season.

The Boy Scouts are outside raking leaves in the snow for one of our neighbors in town today. Many of you are involved in your Church or other community service programs raising money, collecting gifts or rehersing plays. Helping others is an American tradition.

When we look at the job loss numbers for this week, please remember that there is a real person and real family behind each of these numbers. Losing one's job is hard, especially during the holiday season.

Please continue to support the Friends of Families in Transition and Northborough Food Pantry. You will help bring joy to a family with your contributions.

 

This is week 201 of Barack Obama's Presidency

44 Companies announced layoffs

15,207 people were laid off

52 Companies went out of business

6 Companies went into bankruptcy

 

November 2012 (Month to date)

214 Companies announced layoffs

138,002 people were laid off

410 Companies went out of business

50 Companies went into bankruptcy

Will Oliveira

1:05 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

There you go again. For the record, the unemployment rate peaked in October of 2009 at 10% and has been declining ever since.

A few more economic facts you should really consider:
Personal tax rates are at their lowest level since 1950
The S+P 500 is up over 125% since the bottom in 2009
Core Inflation at 2.2%, 50 yr avg. is 4.1%
Househeld debt is lowest level in over 35 years
Personal saving rates are at mid 1990 levels
Corporate after tax profits at 10.3% (50 yr avg. is 6.2%)
Capital Gains and Dividend rates well below 40 yr average
Positive GDP growth every month since Great Recession ended in March 2009
Consumer confidence keeps improving (robust Christmas sales on the way)
Home sales continue to improve, etc, etc.

Foreign Policy - Do you even want to go there?

Instead of putting down the United States at every turn, try lifting her up once in awhile.

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Ron Goodenow

5:26 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Will, good to know you are around, and alive and kicking! Part of the problem with some of the data Mike and other GOPers produce is the lack, not only of citations, but of historical trend lines that are persuasive and instructive. Which, of course, is one reason I believe the election was lost for them. However, this said, I personally welcome this kind of debate and I think Mike is doing us a service by permitting multiple perspectives to bloom. I would really like to see a much more positive view of the country, as you have suggested. I travel a lot and, as you probably know, don't miss an opportunity to discuss current affairs. What I find is far more upbeat optimism on the part of most people, as well as a wish for many politicians to stop the drumbeat of complaints and get around to solutions that really help them. One thing about our great country is that optimism and creativity win the the day. Oh, and we face far more than employment problems. There are many other issues they want to see addressed.

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Mike Long

8:49 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Will, I would suggest that you go back and read the first 2 paragraphs of this post. I celebrate the fact that Americans pride themselves in helping others. This is not a put down of America this is a quality to be proud of. After all America was built with individuals joining together to build farms and communities.

All I have done with this post is point out some facts. I am sorry if you don't like the facts but that does not mean that I am putting down the US. On the contrary, until you acknowledge the truth you cannot make informed decisions.

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Mike Long

9:08 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Ron, it is good to see you on the blogs again. I call foul on your blanket statement that Elephants do not produce citations which implies that the Donkeys always do. I thought that we were not supposed to stereo type people. This kind of statement is bait designed to start a flame war which I will not participate in. By the way, in FL where I grew up, I had to check the box "Other" for race so I know a little bit about living in a diverse community.

If you serious about looking at trend lines I would suggest that you investigate the historical tax rates vs. actual dollars collected by the US Treasury over the past 100 years. You will find that raising taxes will do nothing to bring down the debt.

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Will Oliveira

9:42 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Mike, what truth would you have me acknowledge? That the economy is getting better and has so since the Great Recession ended? It seems that you have a distorted vision of what the economic data revelas because of your apparent irrational hatred for President Obama. To suggest that you even have a clue of what the "Obama Legacy" will be, as your opinion piece alludes to, is an imagined grandiosity of self importance.

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Ron Goodenow

10:13 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Well Mike, I do appreciate your nice words about having me here. I was calling for a far more studied and clearly documented set of data and suggesting that one reason the GOP lost was that it did not do a good job of doing that. I did NOT say the other side was brilliant or even accurate. I thought Romney prevaricated fatally and a heck of a lot more. But he was supposed to bring down the Obama economic house of cards and that failed miserably (...were he CEO of a big corporation he would also be spending time with his wife, family and Cosco). In terms of taxes and debts. I would be happy to understand what I should be reading and what the trend lines look like. I believe that taxes are very low now and debt is very high. I believe that when Bush was 'elected' tax rates were higher and there was far less debt. This suggests to me that there are variables which are easily overlooked (like unpaid for wars, etc.). As for race, which you brought up, you guys blew it (due in part as well to your positions on women) on that big time....in Florida, Massachusetts and most of the country. I was just in California and the GOP is about dead there, in some part because of its position of race and immigration. Want to bring up side subjects? I am disgusted, as a person with a disability, with what your party did in the Senate today in the face of efforts by Bob Dole, Dick Lugar, John McCain, and many disabled vets. Gotta watch out for those black helicopters I guess.....

Ed Bertorelli

1:09 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Thanks for the information Mike- good blog.

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Mike Long

9:31 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Thank you, it is nice to know that there are people who appreciate my blogs.

Jim O'Connor

1:16 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Mike, Care to provide citations for your data?

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Bob Weir

1:58 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Gee, Jim, why don't you ask Will for his?

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Will Oliveira

2:56 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Fair question, some of the numbers have naturally moved a bit since the above was mostly (from 1Q 2012). These numbers are through 2Q 2012.

Corporate-After-Tax-Profits 9.4%
Core Inflation 1.9%
S+P 500 YTD Performance 14.41%
S+P 500 Gains since bottom, roughly 107%.
All other factors mentioned remain virtually unchanged i.e., personal tax rates, tax rates on cap gains/dividends, personal savings rate, household debt, etc.

Except for YTD numbers, data is provided by J.P. Morgan.

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Jim O'Connor

3:40 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Fair point Bob. In fact anytime someone posts data, as Mike has done, they should cite to their source otherwise how do we know they aren't just making it up.

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Mike Long

9:09 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I get my figures from an aggregation of articles throughout the week. I will cite a few examples in my next post.

Linda Worthy

1:59 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

"...in the Boston area, employment in the local tech sector has grown 7 percent in the past year, well beyond the general economy’s gain. On a typical recent day, there were more than 3,500 job openings at Boston-area companies on the tech-based career site Dice.com. "
"Those fresh out of college can start at $75,000, and seasoned developers are earning $140,000 annually. And salaries in the industry continue to soar, up by as much as 15 percent this year."
http://tinyurl.com/a5v4sey

Mike, we can see that your whining skills are top of the line, just not very marketable. Maybe your job skills need a little polishing.

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Mike Long

9:25 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Linda, the healthcare and biomedical sectors of the economy have been receiving a lot of funding over the past 5 years. Boston has a very strong presence in those areas. Also you look at education industry and you see that the cost of tuition has been rising a lot faster than the inflation rate. This means colleges and universities are not affected by the economic downturn. The State of Massachusetts has a huge education industry. Combine healthcare and education industries and we have been fortunate to have been insulated from the economic woes other parts of the country have suffered.

Nice try on the insult but it fails to have the affect you would like. I have become immune to name calling over the past few years. You can leave the personal insults out the next time you comment and just stick to the points you want to make. You actually had some decent counterpoints that are worthy of discussing and they should not be drowned out in a flame war that personal insults are designed to start.

Linda Worthy

10:04 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I don't think you should be telling me what to stick to. A flame war...the title and content of your posts invite flames. As someone asked on an earlier post by you, "Did nothing positive happen last month?" Your posts, lacking both citation and historical perspective, insult our intelligence.

Here's some positive news for you:

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - Home prices posted their biggest annual jump in more than six years in October in a sign the housing sector continues to recover, data analysis firm CoreLogic said on Tuesday.
CoreLogic's home price index rose 6.3 percent compared to October a year ago, the biggest increase since June 2006 and the eighth consecutive increase in home prices nationally on a year-over-year basis, CoreLogic said."
And sources: http://tinyurl.com/ca5xmpj
http://tinyurl.com/bj8swsv

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Linda Worthy

10:10 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

And more positive news:

"It’s been nearly 40 years since Volkswagen did as well. For Porsche, it was its best month. Ever. Nissan and its luxury brand Infiniti posted records of their own.
After an unexpected setback just a month earlier, November appears to have delivered a new level of momentum for the U.S. auto industry – which now appears to be on track for an even bigger recovery in 2013.
Sales in November were on pace to top an annual rate of 15 million vehicles, which would mark the highest level since the 15.5 million rate of February 2008. Automakers on Monday reported new-car sales figures and the news was good across the board."

And a source! http://tinyurl.com/b3pxzqa

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Chris L.

11:54 am on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

HAHAHAHA. Linda, this is silly, and misleading.

Other than the sales and service people here in the States at the VW Auto Group's dealerships, where is the gain for the American economy? The VW Group also owns Porsche, so by telling us VW and Porsche are doing well, you were a little redundant.

Again, where are Infinitis, Nissans, Porsches, and VWs made??

And other than sales and services sectors, how is this helping the American economy? Your post paints a very positive picture for Germany, though, so there's that.

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43 year resident

5:08 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

I should have read-on for other replies before I researched my answer to this as others had similar replies. Porsche and Volkswagen are German Companies and Nissan is Japan. How would their great sales numbers really help the U.S.A. With quick analysis I found that Volkswagen employs 2000 people in the USA, not too many for all the money we spend on their cars.

PREDATOR

10:28 am on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

If the economy is doing so well now....why is it that taxes must be raised at all? Please let me know what I am missing. Assume a stable tax rate....as the economy worsens less money changes hands and thus tax revenues decline.....but now the economy is so much better....and more money is changing hands....tax revenues increase....right? Please....which is it....

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Linda Worthy

2:53 pm on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

Chris L -- the one and only response I will ever make to you is that you should be banned from Patch. I read your posts where you researched another poster and made physical threats -- in effect you said to someone else: "Let's meet up and see whether your college education or my blue collar/military background wins out. Don't worry, you'll have ObamaCare to fall back on."
I'll make no further responses to any one who makes such comments.

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Chris L.

2:58 pm on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

It works better if you hit "reply". So it seems that you are another "Party of Inclusion" member who only believes in such nonsense if we agree with YOUR line of thinking. Ironic that your last name is "Worthy", since you see others as unworthy of speaking to you.

I wonder, your ideology mirrors Dave's...your coming to Dave's defense by taking the time to go back into an old article and paraphrase what I said....Are you really Dave?

Again, you're deflecting sweetie. I brought out facts, you fired back with "I don't have to answer that because you were mean to my friend."

Hope and Change, indeed.

John

6:55 pm on Wednesday, December 5, 2012

Mike, you must remember that there is no room for people who have contrary opinions. They are to be ridiculed, scorned and demonized. How dare you question the Democratic party? How dare you differ with the party agenda! Now hurry up and get to work, those illegal immigrants children who are going to state colleges on your dime need you out there working hard so they don't have to.

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David Nolta

12:52 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Has it only been 201 weeks--a mere 47 months--since President Obama began putting the country back together again after the disastrous 96-month regime--the 416-week "legacy"--of that other man we must never mention, whose ruinous wars and tax policies and corrupt circle of advisers swiftly fade into ancient history? Has it only been 3.8 years since President Obama was first inaugurated? It seems to me he has accomplished so much in that time. That is probably why 63,714,092 people--a clear and significant majority of voting Americans--re-elected him. One month, which is to say, four weeks, or, if you prefer, about thirty or so days, ago, depending upon when you read this, if you do.

And as for you, Chris L., I've told you before that I'm not worthy to be Linda, whoever she--or for that matter, any of us--may be. Now behave yourself, and stop summarizing other people to serve your own arguments--stop summarizing them, period--and stop patronizing people, and trying to make everybody unhappy. Why not, before you post, take a deep breath, and ask yourself, "Is this a nice way to get my point across? Or is it a way that guarantees a proliferation of anger and ill-will?" Well, Chris L.? As it is, you do rather come off as something of a big meanie.

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Chris L.

9:01 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Again David, any "drama" between you and I was just that...between you and I. Any "meanness" Linda may or may not experience, she brought upon herself.

But since she jumped to YOUR defense, maybe you can jump to hers....please, tell me where in her post anything positive about the US economy was stated. I seem to have stymied her, and she resorted to calling me a meanie. Is that how it works over there on the Left? We can't have constructive conversation because I was mean one time?

Jim O'Connor

10:01 am on Thursday, December 6, 2012

per cnn money: s&p 500 index up 27.35% for last 3 years up 12.1% ytd.
Corporate America doing just fine under the "socialist" some love to hate.

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Jim O'Connor

9:04 am on Friday, December 7, 2012

per nbcnews.com:
The unemployment rate dropped to 7.7 percent in November, the lowest in four years, as the U.S. economy generated a stronger-than-expected 146,000 jobs, the Labor Department said Friday....“It looks like the job market is holding firm,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “That’s encouraging in light of all the fiscal uncertainties.”

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SAM

3:44 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

SAM
Jim,
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the labor department only counts those who have looked for a job within the last 4 weeks as unemployed. They do not count those who have simply dropped out of the labor force due to their unemployment benefits running out. They may have created 146,000 jobs, but when when surveyed households, it came up with 350,000 who had dropped out of the workforce. As usual, the government media likes to put a positive spin on things.

PREDATOR

10:15 am on Friday, December 7, 2012

Great news....more folks on the books = more revenue for the government....why raise taxes? Or if low taxes are helping to create jobs....why look to increase them?

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Jim O'Connor

11:56 am on Friday, December 7, 2012

The purpose of raising taxes is to pay for things that we want. Deficts indicate we haven't been generating enough revenue to pay for the things we want. Some wanted a war in Iraq. The war needs to be paid for. Some wanted prescription drug coverage. Needs to be paid for. Some want roads and bridges. Roads/bridges need to be paid for. etc. etc.. etc.

PREDATOR

12:10 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

Agreed....but don't tax revenues increase as the economy improves?

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Jim O'Connor

1:09 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

You seem to be advocating for supply side economics or Reaganomics. What the first President Bush referred to as "vodoo economics."

PREDATOR

1:02 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

Simply asked....why risk the improving economy AND the improving tax revenues?

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PREDATOR

1:16 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

Not advocating anything.....just asking a simple question which has as of yet remained unanswered.

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Jim O'Connor

1:29 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

I think you asked 2 questions: 1) "don't tax revenues increase as the economy improves" and 2) "why risk the improving economy AND the improving tax revenues."
The first question implies a belief in supply side economics. I believe Bush was right when he referred to it as vodoo economics. The second question seems to assume that improving tax revenues and improving the economy are mutually exclusive. I don't believe they are.

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Mike Long

2:07 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

If you search for revenue versus GDP you will find that the federal government collects approximately 18% of GDP as revenue no matter what the tax rate is. We can infer from this historical data that if we want to balance the budget the government must keep spending to 18% of GDP. Any spending above 18% will result in a deficit. So the real question is can America increase GDP to be 5 times that of current government spending? If it cannot then where does the budget need to be trimmed to match the revenue being received.

Jim O'Connor

3:44 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

Well Mike you don't provide a source for your statement that the federal government collects approximately 18% of gdp so its hard to tell whether or not its true, but assuming it is true and assuming govt. spending has been in excess of 18%, and assuming you are opposed to deficits, where would you cut? How much would be saved by the cuts you propose? What would the consequences be?
Do you believe there should never be deficit spending by the fed govt.?

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Chris L.

4:14 pm on Friday, December 7, 2012

Farewell, children.

It seems people like Linda are still upset about things that happened to other people...2 weeks ago. I got a nastygram and have decided that I may have to play by double standards in other areas of life, but I won't stand for it here. You are all very very brave people when the only thing in your face is a keyboard. Good luck to all of you(not really, just thought I'd end on a positive note.)

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