If this passes what are those car dealers who sold illegals cars/trucks that cost thousands of dollars and are many/many/many sizes too big for them going to do? Did I also forget to mention the transaction is in cash most times. Just cruise around Milford you'll see dozens of them.

Banana republics don't enforce their laws either.

For a government official to say that he is not going to enforce existing laws should be a criminal offense in and of itself! We elect these people to write and enforce the laws that are deemed worthy. For this governor to come out and say that he will not be enforcing our immigration laws, he should be arrested and put in jail awaiting a trial by us the citizen voters. Can we get some laws passed that will force our legislators and government officials to enforce these laws or lose their jobs??!!

What is "Legal Residency" and who determines each case?

Joe, they're guilty of.......
"Malfeasance in office, or official misconduct, is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. Malfeasance in office is often grounds for a for cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election".
Problem is no one takes them on.
I regards to Deval Patrick he is good example of someone guilty of it in so many other ways.
Jim@ccfiile.com

There are a lot of folks making money off illegals- believe it or not many illegals have 2 of the 3 items needed to drive legally. The have registrations and car insurance. They lack a license. (And liberals want to give one to them) So the car dealer makes money and the insurance company makes money and the RMV makes money on registration fees. Why is any of this allowed ? Because money talks

The fact that Duval Patrick stands behind and defends the word "ILLEGAL" is a concern for me.

What's next, Illegal doctors, Lawyers, Presidents, oops can't go there.
Our politicians who happen to be our LAWMAKERS have for the most part taken a stand to defend the LAWBREAKERS. This is treason. The Illegals and those who support them want no accountability. The Illegals don't want to come out of the shadows which these laws will require them to do. They want the same status quo that they have had for twenty five years being here in this country. They certainly don't want to pay for anything either. If they had a situation where the State offered to pay for their licenses I would bet the lines would be never ending.

The criminally minded have found a loophole and have run with it. The insurance companies don't care because they want MONEY. The Police don't care because they get paid going to court, which is a revolving door. If individuals took a stand and as one group condemned the ACT of being Illegal and what it entails then all this would be gone. Unfortunately the regular US Citizen has forgotten Rule Of Law, forgotten basic ethics and morality 101 and through that incompetence we have this situation. ANY Politician who defends Illegal aliens should be run out of office, PERIOD, no questions asked.

Joe Rizoli

As we have said many times here the Foxes have taken over the hen house.
When holding office depends on illegal activity I guess you can say we lost the battle here.
Rule of LAW has gone out the window, the lawbreakers run the show now.
Get used to it, it's only going to get worse.
Jim@ccfiile.com

I love how Deval is so willing to put peoples lives at risk, in order to garner a few more votes. He doesnt want people to have to produce any identification when they vote either.

Think about that...

David- could you provide an translation in English for your dissertation- a study in avoidance .

Bravo David. For the life of me I don't understand why we just can't enforce the laws that are currently on the books rather that pass new ones that we will ignore. When AG Marsha concludes that it's not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts...What the @#$#@ does that mean? Deval must be a powerful Governor to be able to pick and chose which laws will be enforced and which will not. I took my son down to Town Hall the other day to register to vote. He filled out a little form and was told...that was it. I asked, in ignorance, why he wasn't asked for an ID as proof of legal residency in Westboro. Of course the answer was, it's not required. My 19-year old couldn't believe it either. He said "That's stupid!" I told him..."In November, remember to vote early...and often." Later in the day I went over to BJs to purchase a case of beer...but I had to show a proper ID first. Alfred E. Newman would be proud.

David, three people have died because illegal people skirted around American law that worked very well for Americans and used it to futher their illegal entry and stay in America.

It doesn't take long for the criminality of these people to find a weakness in the armor. Anything to help stop this rape of American law would help including stricter control of registering of cars. Duval Patrickhas been sold out to the illegal immigrant community, he has to be voted out of office. Why we have to constantly fight to get our country back from these madmen is beyond me.

Joe Rizoli

There is nothing difficult about this decision, you should need to be a legal citizen to register a car. Why would the Governor make it EASIER to drive illegally? We sign people up for Mass Health in our office everyday and they need picture ID, pay stubs, ss cards, etc to qualify. Why should it be easier to register a car than to get health coverage?

David- no one is attacking anyone here-Period. And as far as a 'conspiracy' goes- you used the word not I. I tried to point out that business interests are part of the discussion and make the immigration issue even more complex.

Yes it's a complicated issue. And no 'personal attacks' were intended. I simply pointed out that powerful business interests profited from the largely cash economy that illegals live in. The 'conspiracy' is the power of money.

Well, as a lifelong subscriber to MAD Magazine, I am sympathetic up to a point. I think people should be required to show proof of American citizenship in order to vote in elections. And contrary to what I am constantly accused of here, I am actually no supporter of illegal immigration. That said, I think it is a more complicated issue than some people assume, with difficult decisions to make--decisions that demand thought and clarity. The governor has a right to question parts of laws he is asked to sign. Questioning is neither an immoral nor illegal act, as so many commenters here insist. And as some of us--some of us who clearly wouldn't agree on other issues--have asked, what ARE the details of the FINANCING of this Federal "mandate"--if "mandate" it is? It really isn't a simple matter of "illegal is illegal"--that may be one view of the problem, but it's not the solution. The solution should be clear, fair, and affordable--affordable as in we have the money, we know where the money is coming from, and we understand and agree about how it will be spent... Otherwise, the same people complaining about the governor now will turn around and accuse him of wasting our tax money...

What we need is a revamping of the immigration system, one that is reflective of todays world not 80 years ago. Its always the exceptions that define a group. Most of these people come here for a better life. Yes they come here illegally but their intentions are not to break our laws.

I advocate for better laws to help us assimilate the people who want to be part of the American fabric, not the ones that want to take advantage of this country. The governor and the federal government should be working on ways to improve this system and be more inclusive of others not endangering the public with laws that make our roadways unsafe.

The legal, hard-working citizenry are quickly becoming (or have become already) the "Forgotten Majority." Was it the Jamestown Settlement that if you were able to work for the greater good of the settlement you were expected/required to work in order to share in the settlement's bounty...if any. Notice that I say...if you were able to work. There's an old saying that we are all created equal...it just seems as though many of us appear to be more equal than others.

To Ed's Comment, "If this passes what are those car dealers who sold illegals cars/trucks that cost thousands of dollars and are many/many/many sizes too big for them going to do?" Most cars/trucks cost thousands of dollars, no? And who is determining what size who should drive, you? Is there a driver height to car size ratio law that I am not aware of?

I do not see the link between ability to drive a car and legal status in a country. Why not prohibit those here illegally from purchasing a couch? Movie tickets? Groceries? I just don't see what driving a car has to do with immigration. Let alone purchasing a car! People are going to drive, period. Why not have the state make money on this? Keep in mind that up until recently legal status was NOT required to get a license. I don't understand why that was changed, though I am sure explanations are on their way - hopefully rational ones and not just THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND SHOULDN'T BREATHE ones. I really do want to try and understand the link here that I am missing despite much thought about the subject. Health care? of course! Voting? Absolutely. Driving? Please explain...

Again, I say, our Governor is out of touch.

Ray states:
>>Most of these people come here for a better life. Yes they come here illegally but their intentions are not to break our laws.>>

I say to that statement, nonsense.
The Fact that they are here is a lawless illegal act.

I call this the "Woodstock Syndrome"
During the hippie days a music festival called Woodstock happened and it was suppossed to be for people that paid to go to the event. The problem was the event was crashed by people that planned to go in without paying.

The illegals have crashed the event, illegally coming to America, and have turned America into a hell hole where liberals have sided with the gate crashes even defending their lawlessness.

Enforce the laws, period. Some of you people speak absolute nonsense.

During the Salem Witch trials by not stopping nonsense twenty innocent people were hung. If NONSENSE acccusations were dealt with immediately and swiftly Salem wouldn't be called the hanging city it is today.

Illegal Immigration today has reached the same point today. NONSENSE is being accepted by even the legal areas of our Government and even the mislead populace.

Stop the nonsense. Stop defending those who see the "yellow bird" and relly on nonsense beliefs such as the illegals work hard, or, they have broken no laws, or as Ray was quoted in my first statement.

Stop this nonsense because so far we have three dead, headed for seventeen more before you all wake up.

Joe Rizoli

@Kira "I just don't see what driving a car has to do with immigration. Let alone purchasing a car! People are going to drive, period"

Why don't you just give them real estate licenses, Electrician, Plumbers licenses, how about a Physician license, or even God Forbid a Lawyer license!
They are just going to do those jobs anyway!!!!
Kira.....You amaze me with your circular reasoning. There are rules and regulations for a lot of things we're dealing with here, how about having your friends just obey the law.
So because they are going break the law WE have to change the rules to accommodate them.....LOL
Kira.....time to stop the nonsense!
Jim@ccfiile.com

I'm not mixing up anything. I meet these people everyday. Their children are in our programs and they are there to support their children. Their children were born here and are American citizens. I have met people that are just here to take and send everything back home but that is the minority of them. Most are trying to find a way to raise their families in a safe country where they dont have to worry about staying alive every day.

These parents come to help their children be tutored,get help with their homework, bring their kids to church services and join in community events and dinners. Sometimes we have a communication problrms but the one thing we all have in common is a love for our children and family,

And Jim, we know where u stand. Round'em all up and ship them out. Who cares what happens to them when they go back. And forget about the constitution and that the kids are as American as you and I. If anyone is interested, look in the patch calender. We have an immigration information session this Saturday at noon.

Ray.....I stand for the rule of Law.....How about you?
The kids are Americans ( barley) but their parents aren't....So there are laws about that too. In regards to where I stand......I would rather be in a fox hole with an illegal alien than in one with a big buck banker. I have more sympathy for them then those who are ripping us off in the financial field who are creating these problems.
Illegal immigration is a symptom of much bigger problems that have to do with mismanagement of money at the higher levels. The illegals are the ones who feel the brunt of the kickback, while the bankers and Wall streeters walk away with their pockets full of money. Hopefully that spells it all out for you. Comprendo?
Jim@ccfiile.com

Ray where does it stop? A adult American with children who likes to rob banks gets caught. Do we make rules that give special treatment to his children? 

Any parent who come to the USA knowing they are in violation of the law by their UN registered illegal status and has children thinking his legal status will change is seriously mistaken.

If anything the person needs to realize that  he/she comes under immigration laws. Those laws were written for these persons and they are fair. Any responsible parent will realize that he/she could end up taking his whole family back to his/her nation of origin. These people know the rules, unfortunately you don't. I guess when it comes to the illegals they are special people, rules, regulations, and laws don't apply to them. 

They sucker people into their sob stories and where you and I would be kicked out of any country that allowed us to do what they have done to us here. After all, to them, the rules have to be changed for them in the USA. 

Sorry the rules apply for everyone. 

These parents have deliberately broken the law, now they should fess up to what they have done and accept the consequences. 

A lot of you pro illegal immigrant people need a course in alcohol anonymous, you are great enabelers. I suppose you'd take a alcoholic out for a few quickie drinks thinking you're helping the person. Or better yet, feed the bears at Yellowstone National Park because you are so humanitarian. 

Joe Rizoli

Barely? Really Jim? Does the constitution annoy you? Those kids are just as much American as you are.

I invite you to join some of these people you scrape from the bottom of your shoe this Saturday. Maybe while we are teaching them about America, we can teach you some civics lessons.

I grew up in Atlanta in the 70s and 80s. I have heard all of these opinions espoused already, they were just being said about a different race of people.

I previously deleted my comment differentiating "citizen" from "resident" because I re-read it and didn't want to stifle the discussion by being nit picky. As there were subsequent comments asking for a clarification that were also deleted, here goes. A citizen of the US is someone who was either born in the US or naturalized (met the requirements, took the English and US History test, took the oath). A resident of a state is someone who has chosen to make that state his or her permanent home. Legal resident just means that he or she does so with permission from immigration (can include a foreign student, for example). If someone has a green card, they are a "Legal Permanent Resident" - of the US though, not of any particular state.

I'm not exactly sure what the pro-illegal immigration people are arguing for....you want people to break international law?

Not sure what that accomplishes, really....

Not sure what "pro-illegal immigration people" is but I dont think anyone here is advocating anything other than helping "people". I also dont think anyone was suggesting that anyone doesnt have to take their test to get a license either. Guess we havent come too far from the days when I was called a N______ lover. The small mindedness is exhausting.

International law?? Yikes. US Federal law... And what does pro-illegal immigration mean? No one is Pro Illegal Immigration. Thats like when "pro lifers" label anyone with varying view points baby killers. Doesn't work that way in reality... Those who you are calling pro illegal immigration are just supporting humane and realistic immigration reform. Hope that helps you understand the argument...

FYI, the current RMV policy on driver's licenses is http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/5classd.htm.

This resolution(from 1990) establishes agreed upon human rights of migrant workers:
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/45/a45r158.htm

This one, passed in the wake of 9/11, restricts illegal immigration in response to terrorism, but doesn't necessarily name other kinds of immigrants. Of course, the US has interpreted it to its own devices, and expects other member nations to do the same:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N01/557/43/PDF/N0155743.pdf?OpenElement

Kelly, what illegdl immigrant is going to go through the process for getting a license that you linked?

NONE.

All they do is get a false license for some big money.

It's all a big scam, and most liberal Anericans want to help these people out for humanitarian reasons.

Anybody with a false license should go to jail. It's like having burglar tools wating to rob a bank.
Some here want to help these people by buying them more burglar tools for their trade.

Joe Rizoli

Kelly...I guess that leave the illegals out.
Ray...They are just as "American as I am"....LOL
Ya right! If they can speak English I would think that would be a problem.
Maybe I'm behind the times here ...but isn't speaking English (Americas) language make you an American?
Jim@ccfiile.com

I meant can't speak English....
Jim@ccfiile.com

I dont seem to know the people Jim and Joe know. If you are born in America, you are an American. Children Across America's largest educational initiative is early childhood literacy. We focus on children K-2 grade to make sure all children have the literacy skills to get the most out of their education. We are proud of the accomplishments of all of the students who have participated. Some of these children's parents cant speak English. They have no one at home to help them with their school work. I was lucky to have parents that read to me, helped me with my homework and developed my reading skills. We look to fill that void to make sure ALL of America's children have a bright future and the best educational experience possible.

What happened to Matt was horrible, I knew him, he was friends with my oldest boy. That was a drunk driver, his status was irrelevant. Countless Americans commit this horrible crime everyday throughout America. I have witnessed a lot of people here in Milford drive away from the Portuguese picnic hammered. Only by the grace of God did they not be involved in the same type of tragedy.

We should all work together to tighten the drunk driving laws and try to make sure more lives arent tragically taken by people who dont have the sense to not drink and drive.

Oh ya.....I can't read English...LOL
Jim@ccfiile.com

Ray I don't know why you say this guys status was a non issue. He should never have been driving sober or drunk.
Stop making excuses

Joe Rizoli

I keep saying this but the police aren't helping.
Go scan the license plates of the people involved in the Adult ESL programs , especially at the Fuller School in Framingham.
Find out WHO owns these vehicles, WHO is insuring these vehicles, if they are insured in the first place and start connecting the dots.
It's really not that complicated but since the woman in Framingham that runs the Adult ESL program is married to a Framingham policeman you can see why nothing had been done. 

The Police have become the enabelers here and have become part of the problem. I've given a very simple thing to do and nobody wants to do it because it would raise hell for those liberal illegal alien pro people.

Joe Rizoli

I am all done with posting on any stories involving immigration. I cannot tolerate bigotry or racism no matter how the comments are disguised. I am also leaving this discussion, continue the hate but without me.

And how would that be constitutional, Joe? Why dont we get their addresses and search their homes too? Oh wait...

And I guess, Joe, what you are saying is that it's now illegal to be parking in an area where illegal immigrants may be attending ESL classes? Why shouldn't people learn English? Most of the ESL students I taught as an English teacher were not illegal immigrants -- they were Puerto Rican students (not immigrants at all), or African, or Vietnamese. If their parents were taking classes at night, good for them! How sad that you view education as a problem.

Mary, according to the news articles by PATCH and the MWDN, MOST of the people in that Adult ESL program are Brazilian, 80%.

MOST Brazilians are illegal. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots here. If they are thus illegal and taking ADULT ESL and driving then they are driving illegally. The Adult ESL program is thus aiding criminality.

As to Ray, apparently when you run out of truth you leave the discussion and start crying your racist, hate, crap.
I guess the Rizoli's knew more on the illegal problems than you thought.

As to LEGAL people taking ADULT ESL my heart is happy for them, they deserve to be praised and if as you said Mary you helped these people good for you.

The problem with the Adult ESL program is it has been infiltrated with illegality and nobody is taking them to task for it...except the Rizoli's.

I would bet the Framingham program takes in people from all over the state, don't say it's not your problem. the police use countless tactics to get fraud including using ads in newspapers. The problem here is they are part of the problem The scanners would tell us the WHO is behind the illegals insuring their cars.

Joe Rizoli

Mary....I guess you haven't been paying attention.
Approx 80% of those attending that Framingham ESL class are Brazilian, and 80% of them are illegal, (they admit that) That is a fact we get from their own figures, there is no disputing that, some say 90%
So say 600 are in the program, 480 would be Brazilian and approx 400 are illegal.
http://tinyurl.com/c6ke3oz
I don't view it as a problem, I view it as a miscarriage of justice, and a blatant disrespect of the LAW, as it is against the law to aid and abet illegal aliens in any way shape or form, even if you think you doing it for right reasons.
But for some reason LAW is not an issue with some people.
http://tinyurl.com/9pmaw
Jim@ccfiile.com

The license plate scanners are being used by our ICE agencies.

http://m.nextgov.com/defense/2012/07/dhs-taps-database-license-plate-snapshots-hunt-fugitives/56675/

Joe Rizoli

Get educated by the people who really know about illegal immigration.

http://nafbpo.org/

Joe Rizoli

IllegalI Immigration is immoral 

Snip...

http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/285087

4. The law. Much of the discussion focuses on the fact that illegal immigration flouts federal law. But the problem is less the initial entry into the U.S. without documentation, and more the succession of law-breaking that needs must follow. If one crosses the border illegally, then one is not likely to state the truth on dozens of subsequent official documents, from matters of identification to certification of employment and entitlement. At each juncture, the law itself is insidiously eroded and the calls for it to be ignored increase. The real immorality is not a law that is found oppressive, but the notion that anyone, most ironically a foreign national, has the right to pick and choose which laws he will obey. No civilization can survive when the law hinges on individual interpretation. If foreign nationals are not required to abide by U.S. law, why would American citizens think that they must?

Great article but his last sentence was the best.

Joe Rizoli

It amazes me how some people just don't understand how illegal immigration is killing our country and it's citizens. Shame on all of you!

Front page of the paper today about how a woman that worked at the DMV helping issue licenses to illegal’s that had papers of other people, slip her a few bucks and Walla, new name and identity!!

Yes as a license is a LEGAL ID, proof of who you are and where you live MUST be shown! You’re birth certificate, Social security card, lease/mortgage and or utility bill need be shown to get an id in the state that issues it.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

MYD Nevins.....The illegals have in several occasions freely and happily admitted that 80% number.
We even have one saying 90% on video we recorded some years back at the Justice meeting at the town hall. I don't say things unless they are somewhere quantified. If you don't want to believe the sources, which are the Brazilians themselves, I don't know what to tell you. You can call them the liars.
At one time Framingham had approx 30k Brazilians bouncing around, that was round 2003-8. That's a lot of people not being accounted for. The figure didn't even show up in the census.
So what the town passed off even the true figure.
I figured our pop. at that time was around 90k at least. Not the 67k they say.
That's a lot of No shows to add to the roads, housing, schools etc....which puts a big strain on our infrastructure.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Myd, apparently the MWDN isn't a credible source. Not that I like the MWDN. All our figures come from the newspapers or Patch articles. If you don't like the figures Myd come up with your own. Apparently you seemed appalled  by those figures like us. 

The newspapers seem to be in line with the 80% for everything the Brazilians are involved in. ESL, Brazilians kids at Woodrow Wilson, just to name a few instancess. 

The largest Brazilian radio station is in Framingham  and you dispute our figures..
Framingham should be embarrassed  that Framingham is the beachhead for all this criminality. Remember that 80% number, it figures in for everything they do, even though for being illegal themselves we think the figure is 90% as admitted from their own lips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bRvqrJQrs&sns=em

Joe Rizoli 

The ball of corruption never ends, this isn't the first time this has happened there.
They put their people in place and get what the want for a price.
This is how the illegals survive here. But there are some that think that kind of behavior is appropriate. Go figure!
Jim@ccfiile.com

Another area to get you all mad. Today's Boston Globe had an article on page A7 about how our Flight schools aren't keeping an eye on WHO are learning to fly and getting their flying licenses. Apparently you people forget WHO they caught right in our own neighborhoods, particularly in Stow. The Globe article conveniently doesn't mention WHO these particular people were so I will refresh your memories.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/06/us/06flight.html
 
<<BOSTON — Federal officials could not explain Friday how more than 30 immigrants charged with being here illegally got clearance to take flying lessons at an airstrip outside Boston.
Federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from taking flight lessons under rules revamped after the Sept. 11 terrorism attacks. But the 33 Brazilians, arrested over the last few months and awaiting deportation hearings, somehow managed to get instruction at TJ Aviation Flight Academy at Minute Man Air Field in Stow, a rural town about 30 miles northwest of Boston. >>
 
The Brazilians obviously had false documents that some on this list think is a great thing.
 
This is outrageous, but MOST of the Brazilians  base their stay in America on a false premise, so it can easily be seen that this sad event happened without a wink of an eye and the Governor, the Selectmen, the State reps are giving these people more radio coverage to get more people to join their neighborhood of criminal activity. This has to stop.
 
Joe Rizoli

The sources, that we constantly have to prove for our case for.. You people think we just make this stuff up. Then when we post the links or the facts for our information you poo poo it. Notice the date. Do you own searches. Type in "Most Brazilians Illegal" and see what you come up with.

By Michael Morton/Daily News staff
The MetroWest Daily News
Posted Oct 17, 2009 @ 11:47 PM

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x795735317/Study-shows-most-Brazilian-immigrants-here-illegally

<<Striking a nerve among both advocates and critics, a recently released study based on 2007 data found an estimated 71 percent of the region's adult Brazilian immigrants living here illegally.>>

We feel the figure is higher as we already posted, even the Brazilians admit it is 90%. Stop playing this game with our facts. Just because some of you here are part of the problem doesn't negate where we get our information. We don't make it up. We get it from the newspapers, the Patch articles, Cable TV, The Boston Globe and from the Brazilians own bragging themselves in front of our mislead Politicians, and Federal authorities, in particular this link in from of DOJ member "Josephine". Imagine that this Brazilian had no fear of being deported, dealt with legally or chastised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bRvqrJQrs&sns=em

Joe Rizoli

Please keep the comments focused on the post. These comments are veering off topic. The post is about whether a driver's license should be required for auto registrations. Focus your comments on that.

M Nevis....Like I care what you think!
You refuse to accept ANYTHING we say. A broken clock is right twice a day.
But I guess you can't tell time.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Donald....just to make the figures work with ya.....These figures coming are coming going. So a lot could be living somewhere else coming into Framingham, and Visa Versa. They converge here at some point in time.
When the town was awash with Brazilians they were everywhere. Twenty or more to a house. It was pretty bad. Things have calmed down quite a bit.
The figures have been reiterated by the Rizoli's, the politicians, the Brazilians, and the newspaper I guess that is plenty of proof.
You refuse to acknowledge the figures it is what it is. I don't deal with stupid.
Jim@ccfiile.com

The thing that is socially tied with my post deals with what comes from having a drivers license period. If the people that have a "license" have a false license then you are not solving the problem.

I am showing what results from not making sure these people have legit licenses from the get go. All my information shows what happens when showing a license will mean nothing if that license is false to begin with. If a certain segment of society has proven they can't be trusted with a simple License then having a registration will be a big joke. You need to fix this problem first.

Joe Rizoli

Myd, when we show you up then you start the insults.
We have never been wrong. We've backed up our facts with even the Brazilian commenters. We don't need you on our side.

Joe Rizoli

A good cuckoo still tells the right time.
jim@ccfiile.com

Here is what one fella said 5 yrs ago when things were really hopping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bRvqrJQrs
Jim@ccfiile.com

Simply put you should have to be a resident in order to drive. If I move to North Carolina, I would have to get a new license because I am a resident. That's the law. In my opinion where illegal immigration is concerned this should be strictly enforced. The fact that people at the Registry are selling licenses, should be met with the most severe punishment! Jail Time!

Well, I'm not sure about that. Huge numbers of people visit this country and rent cars and even buy cars, and drive around, and obey the laws. To get a license in this country, I think you should have to prove that you are a legal citizen of this country, or a registered non-citizen. But to drive? That's a bit extreme--and Americans don't do that when they drive abroad. Nor do civilized countries expect you to be a resident before you drive a car. I agree that you should be able to show that you HAVE a license, but to prove that you live in the state? Never gonna happen. Lots of people live in one state and work in another. And when you move--for example to The Commonwealth--you have a long period, up to a year, as I recall from my move here, to switch your license. And no, this doesn't mean that I am in favor of illegal immigration (experience teaches me to add that proviso).

David....I thought it was 30 days to change over a license.
Whatever it is you have to change it over at some point.
In regards to out of country people they can drive on a universal license or whatever it is called but it's not forever. It's probably as long as their Visa. That's what happens to a lot of them when they get arrested, their temporary universal license has expired.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Since some here are having a hard time with valid numbers, It is now a little late to validate them.
How do you validate ghost people who move around from town to town at a whim?
Most of them are gone now. We'd be lucky if there are 5k here now.
The past is the past, one thing is for sure, there was a whole boat load of illegals here at some point 5 years ago.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Myd, multiple news articles have talked about the Brazilian numbers, the Boston Globe, the MWDN, the Patch and we constantly refer to those numbers. The point is really not the numbers but the fact that most of those numbers wherever that may be, show that the Brazilians are ILLEGAL. They Brazilians don't care, they brag about it. They know nothing will happen to them because they are protected by all sorts of religious organizations, politicians, Selectmen, Police agencies, you name it. The Rizoli's have become the people that say the "Emperor has no clothes". Some with honor and common sense have seen what we have been saying since 2003. Some, as usual, have not, because they are the problem. We have certainly educated the public on this matter. It was at least a few years until the Boston Globe caught on to what we had been saying. The MWDN finally caught on. They ALL balked when we mentioned back years ago the Illegals coming through Mexico had to pay $10,000 to "coyotes". We were laughed at. But we were proved right. Why do you think the Brazilians don't want us on their radio programs? We've exposed their dirty deeds.

Joe Rizoli

Dave just to clarify what I meant.....Of couse people visiting our country should be able to drive! But to rent a car you still need to show a license from your home country/state. But to buy or register a car you should have to prove residence in the State you are buying it in. It's not like you or I can cross the border into New Hampshire and buy a car to avoid paying sales tax. It was late and I was really tired last night! I should have made my point better....or I should have just gone to bed! At least my point about Registry personel selling licenses was on point I think? LOL

The illegal Brazilians laugh their asses of at the cops in my neighborhood. As soon as the cops leave a loud party the give the finger and laugh. I see it all the time

Illegal immigrants should not be issued driver's licenses. Or able to register vehicles.

Simple enough.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I have had a similar problem in Milford, Mark--except that unlike you, I am not positive the people having the parties (and throwing bottles and turning up the music right after the police leave) ARE illegal. Loud parties are a problem--and disregard for your neighbors and the police--that's what I mind. Not figuring out if one of the bottle-throwers is illegal, and one is not. So for me it boils down to a basic hierarchy of concerns. I am more concerned with the noise that keeps me up all night, than I am with the legal status of the perpetrator(s). That doesn't mean I am in favor of illegal immigration, it means that I am MORE against people treating me and my neighborhood and the police with contempt. I often think--give me a neighbor who is quiet and respectful even if he or she is illegal, rather than a loud and nasty garbage-tossing neighbor who is 100% American citizen. Similarly, put me on the road with an illegal who has a valid license, who is responsible behind the wheel, rather than an American citizen who's had ten drinks and never learned to drive to begin with... It's a spectrum, to my mind.

Tragically - entire areas of once beautiful homes are now run down- with the brave homeowners still trying to keep up their properties being harassed by neighbors either legal or otherwise who live in houses owned by absentee landlords. I used to deliver the paper on West St and Bancroft Ave and lived/grew up on upper Water St and I look at what happened around there and feel sad and angry about it.

I hear ya' Ed! I live right there, and when I moved in almost 18 years ago, it was a quiet, clean, self-respecting neighborhood. Hardly recognizable now. But there are still so many nice people, people who do know how to treat their neighbors well. So I'm still very hopeful.

Doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out this movement of dilapidated neighborhoods through a term that we call "third world momentum", when people from foreign countries but not citizens of the United States start moving into houses half-dozen at a time sleeping in "hotbeds".

 They continue the blight that comes from having no connection to the society that they moved into. This why they have no respect for authority or their American neighbors. 

These people continue to live as though they were living in their countries of origin. In a sense, their bringing blight to a neighborhood is their own protest against Americans for using them as slave laborers. They just don't care knowing that in a few years they will probably go back to their nation of origin.

Joe Rizoli

Joe, the way we describe a problem is an opportunity to begin to solve it. Or to make it worse. So while I understand and share your frustration about decaying neighborhoods and blight, I can never understand your method of approach. You base everything on an unnecessary and divisive premise, that there is a univocal "WE"-the good guys, the American citizens-and on the other side of the fence (which clearly isn't a real fence, or if it is, it isn't so effective), "THEY"-the bad guys, people who are not citizens, who sleep in "hotbeds" and have no respect for their American "owners". But until we accept that there is no us and them, the problem can only get worse. In other words, we must stop stereotyping non-citizens (who do not all act as you constantly claim), and consider the fact that every person, legal or illegal, is an individual and a human being, and acts differently, and what is more has, in this country thank God, a right to speak for, justify, and explain him- or herself. So while you condemn the illegal alien as a single unit, you still haven't addressed the situation in which we all-even the illegals-participate and have a stake: HOW, fairly and humanely and without discrimination or racist profiling, are we to identify these illegals? How are we to judge them, given the individual stories that bring them here-stories which can continue here for decades? How do we handle families with kids born here, who are legal? Is it cheaper to deport than to assimilate? ETC

Actually David, my anger lies more against the Americans than the illegal aliens. These are the ones that have turned the illegals into a slave class of people. 

The illegals in return know they are not respected and thus do everything they can to take out of a system they cannot be legally part of and do whatever they can to get this free.

So please don't think I see this. The problem is that by thus acting in this manner I obviously am not happy with the illegals conduct either. They truly have banded together and quite nicely caused havoc by dividing America. What do they care.  They win either way on the long run. Actually the movie The Time Machine describes the situation for all of us. The Morlocks have all of us as their working slaves. We are the Eloi, the illegals mixed in with us. 

 Just because I use the word "they" it applies to this illegals and the elite that rules over all of us.

If the illegals are using the false methods to continue their stay here obviously I am not going to be happy with that conduct. If I really exposed the people behind all of this my writings would be banned off this list, the illegals would look like angels as compared to my anger against this ruling elite. Read John F Kennedy's words that he used to explain all of this.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/22704/JFK___Illuminati_Exposed_as_Evil_World_Rulers/

Joe Rizoli

An international license can be used in the USA, as well a Passport is a legal ID, a migrating worker, or visiting person would NOT need a “resident” license.

Its exactly that, why twist it? A Mass RESIDENT license,, is for R-E-S-E-D-E-N-T-S
Not visitors, you live here? Show me, I give you one.

I am a legal citizen here in the US. I am very upset that americian act so childish judging others cause of skin color or the way the talk.. The illegal alien want the same as you freedom and to take care of there families without having to worry about being deported. I mean come on people learn something new.. Learn to help snd live with others. And then nobody would be illegal. There should not be names put on people. They have a mind just like you for the right and wrong. I live around mexicians and they have no paper but they want to live life same as you do. But they live looking over there shoulder hoping not to be deported. They want thier legal papers but they afraid if they try to get them they get deported. They been here 6 yrs or longer. Blacks were used like they doing the mexicians now. Make the mexicanos legal too. It is not right. Everybody just follow the rules or go to jail like any other person in US not be deported unless they keep causing big problems then tell them if you follow the rules all will be ok... and so on...

Rosie, your not a good citizen. We follow the rule of law and if you don't like it then beat it.

Rosie....Can I go to Mexico, Brazil whatever... and drive without a license for an extended time?
Can I collect food stamps, and other social benefits?
Why do the illegals think it's all about them? There are laws that have to be obeyed why is it so hard for people to understand that.
Follow the rules and things will be fine, don't follow them and you'll be looking over your shoulder for a very long time.
Americans just want you to obey the laws.....you want to change them.
Jim@ccfiile.com

Great talk before our big wig politicians about giving licenses to illegal aliens my a man who worked in the immigration system, DEA, and other law enforcement agencies to numerous to mention. This guy Michael Cutler, knows what he is talking about.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/cutlertestimony021804.html
Joe Rizoli

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