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Brown Should Focus on Economy To Beat Warren, MA Republicans Say

After three polls released last week showed Elizabeth Warren ahead of Scott Brown, Patch surveyed influential Massachusetts Republicans to get their take on the tight race.

 

Republican Sen. Scott Brown should focus on the economy during the final stretch of his campaign to fend off Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren's rise in the polls: that's the main finding of this week's Red Commonwealth survey of influential Massachusetts Republicans.

Three polls by three separate polling organizations showing Warren ahead of Brown—but barely—were released early last week. 

Further illustrating how tight the race has become, hours after Patch sent the survey out to Massachusetts Republicans, another poll by UMass Lowell and the Boston Herald showed Brown ahead of Warren by 6 points, with a 5.5 percent margin of error, after an UMass Lowell/Herald poll nine months ago had Warren leading by 7.

A majority of influential Massachusetts Republicans surveyed, 58.6 percent, said Warren's reported rise in the polls is most likely attributable to a post-Democratic National Convention bump that energized Democrats and left-leaning independents. A few questioned the validity of the polls themselves.

Those surveyed were split on the efficacy of Brown's get-out-the-vote organization compared to Warren's, with 34.5 percent saying it's "somewhat worse" than Warren's, 27.6 saying "no advantage for either," 13.8 percent saying "somewhat better" and 17.2 percent saying "much better."

Focus on Obamacare and Medicare with Seniors, the Economy with Women

Warren led Brown among voters 65 and older by 63-35 in the poll results released last week by Western New England University (WNEU)'s Polling Institute. Asked what they would recommend the Brown campaign do to increase support among seniors, many of the influential Massachusetts Republicans who responded to the survey said Brown should focus on Medicare and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, colloquially known as Obamacare.

"Drive home the point that Obamacare must be repealed in order to void the billions of dollars taken from Medicare in order to pay for Obamacare & that Brown—not Warren—will carry out that fight," one respondent wrote.

The WNEU poll also showed Brown leading Warren among male voters 49-44, while Warren led among female voters in the same poll 55-40. Asked which strategy Brown should focus on regarding the gender gap, 62.1 percent said that Brown should try to make gains among female voters. 

Asked how Brown could win over more female voters, respondents said that the incumbent should push back against the "War on Women" theme used by Warren's campaign and continue to define himself as "pro-choice," while many said that the senator should look past demographic issues and focus on the economy, jobs and tax policies that affect everyone equally.  

"I am a woman, but I'm far more sophisticated, as most women are, to buy into belittling 'women's issues,'" one respondent wrote. "We, men and women, are concerned about the economic future of ourselves and our country. That unites all of us."

Economy Should Take Precedent

Asked what should be the primary issue that Brown should focus on during the final stretch of the campaign, a number of survey respondents said that Brown should go after Warren for her public image, which one respondent described as "an arrogant, lecturing, smarter-than-you college professor," and for her views described as "radicalism" and "extreme Leftist, anti-business."

However, most of the Republicans surveyed said that the economy should take precedent, with Brown contrasting his views with Warren's. 

"We need jobs, we need to cut the size of government," one respondent wrote. "We need to get the deficit and debt under control. We need to stop demonizing job creators and investors. And we need lower taxes that will in turn produce economic growth and will result in an increase in revenues."

Brown and Warren had their first debate of four last week and almost all of the respondents leaned toward the debates deciding the race, with 62.1 percent somewhat agreeing it would be the deciding factor in the race and 31 percent strongly agreeing.

With regard to polling numbers, one respondent cautioned voters to view any results before the election with a skeptical eye.

"Keep in mind how the Boston Globe poll had Brown written off as a 15-point loser a week ahead of the special election in January 2010," the respondent wrote. "The only poll that really counts takes place on Nov. 6."

Red and Blue Commonwealth Survey
Our surveys are not a scientific, random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a group of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders, candidates and elected officials in Massachusetts. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in Massachusetts’ Patch surveys, although not all responded to this story’s questions. Answers have been edited for style, but not for content.

Patch will be conducting Red Commonwealth and Blue Commonwealth surveys throughout the 2012 election season in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and progressives on the ground in Massachusetts. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in periodic surveys that last just a few minutes, contact Associate Regional Editor Daniel DeMaina at danield@patch.com.

Related Topics: Elizabeth Warren, Red Commonwealth, Scott Brown, and election 2012

Dave Lenane

8:25 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

All I can say is that I firmly support Scott Brown!

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Linda Worthy

9:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012

After some of Scott Brown's staff members participated in the tomahawk chops and Indian war whoops at a campaign rally which have been labeled "racist", Senator Brown "issued them their one and only warning that this type of conduct will not be tolerated."
Problem is that there is second video, in which “Indian war whoops” are heard in the background as Mr. Brown spoke at an event in Chatham this summer. That video was initially posted on the Chatham Republican Web site.
One would think that after the Chatham incident, Brown would have issued a caution to his staff not to engage in such behavior -- even if they had not done so in Chatham. Instead after the second incident, Brown asked his staffers not to do it again. His staffers were no doubt emboldened by his 'person of color' comment during the first debate.

http://tinyurl.com/cyaxlst

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FindBalance

8:25 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I thought liberals opposed the use of labels RE "which have been labeled "racist".

Besides, Elizabeth Warren first used the issue of physical features as proof that she was Native American. Maybe they thought if she could refer to physical features, then it was ok...

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Ben Jackson

9:58 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I think it's very telling that Scott Brown and his supporters keep coming back to this personal heritage non-issue. Guess when you can't run on your record, you have to make *something* up to run on, eh?

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Chris L.

10:13 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

But it really IS an issue. If it wasn't, Warren would have ignored it. Instead, she has put out ads telling us all about it.

The heat on it has not died down the way she would have like when she was dismissive of it in the Spring.

To equate this to something in the current news cycle: she's no better than the state crime lab chemist...who also told fabrications which helped her professionally. Her proof of a Master's Degree is just as easy to find as Warren's proof of Native American ancestry.

Ben Jackson

10:30 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris, that's ridiculous.

First of all, it's not a lie. Warren has clearly believed herself to have had Native American heritage, documented back to 1984 - when she had recipies published in a Native American Cookbook.

Have you checked out your family lineage stories? I claim Dutch heritage - because my family told me they hailed from Holland. I've never researched it. I've never gone back to Holland to look for relatives.

But I call myself Dutch.

Claiming this is anything like the Annie Dookhan scandal is preposterous - you're smarter than thatn, Chris. You know that lying about degrees, and presenting one's identity based on long-told family tales are not one and the same.

Here's a very good fact-checking of the Native American heritage timeline, which ran in today's Washington Post fact checker. Neither candidate comes out smelling like roses - but it clearly debunks the notion that Warren lied about her heritage.

In fact, Senator Brown himself let this issue die - as nobody cared - until he found himself behind in the polls. It smacks of desperation, and it appeals to the worst in us. We deserve better.

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Chris L.

10:55 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the "but I didn't gain from it" aspect. She is a "two-fer" for Harvard's "diversity" statistics.

My family lineage isn't that hard to track, as I am only the second generation born in the States, on both sides. Also, there is documentation on both sides. So when I claim French-Canadian/Sicilian, I can back it up. Unfortunately, neither will garner me any special status in education or employment.

I'm a firm believer in this day and age of documentation. Paperwork. Hell, even a daguerreotype of her parents or grandparents standing on a reservation would help me come around, just a little. But she can't even produce that.

As far as the actual issues...you don't find it mildly disturbing that:
A. she makes $350K for teaching part time
and B. she has been proven to have sided against the little guy and worked for major corporations.

Yet she continues to tell us she feels our pain...she's fighting for us. I'm not buying it.

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Ben Jackson

11:06 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris, this argument that she makes too much money is what's hard to wrap my brain around.

Her opposition is the party that nominated one of the very wealthiest among us to be their nominee - and one can argue that he didn't do much mor ethan Professor Warren, as he spent so much time campaigning for office.

Like it or not, those in charge of managing her academic appointments stated that it was never even discussed during her candidacy. End of story.

I don't care what her salary was. I don't care what Mitt Romney's salary was. I don't care what Scott Brown's salary was. I care about who is going to do more for people who *don't* breathe the same rarified air that they all do. In that, Elizabeth Warren is head and shoulders above Scott Brown.

And I don't think you can hold her to the same standard you hold yourself. This is clearly not the American standard, and most of us believe the tales of our ancestry whole-cloth - we've been told them from a very young age.

Regardless, I don't see how it impacts her ability to legislate effectively. This should be a referendum on Scott Brown, and his lousy record. He knows that, and he's trying like heck to turn it into anything but - this is a distraction, not an issue.

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Chris L.

11:10 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

And yet, the Senator from MA whose seat is NOT up for re-election this year is a Democrat as well.

And is THE most wealthy member of Congress. Granted that a lot of it is because of his wife, but it still lends an air of unbelieveability to the "party of the working class" air that the Democrats like to put on.

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Ben Jackson

11:18 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris, as I said, I don't care about their salaries. It is naive to think that the common man can get elected in this hoddibly money-dependent politican system in which we live.

I do care about who is going to do more for people who don't make the same kind of money that they do, who are going to do more for the health and welfare of the society, and who are going to keep government small where it has no business being big (the bedroom, the hospital room) and big where it needs to be (social safety nets, corporate, safety and financial regulation, infrastructure).

Scott Brown just isn't that guy. His voting record proves it.

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Chris L.

2:32 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Ben,

After reading the article...well....it sounds like maybe Democrats are a little upset with Brown "being mean" about the whole thing, but it also reads to me that her claim remains unfounded. the NEGHS found nothing, Cherokee Nation is asking to see proof(which would lead me to believe there is none, otherwise, wouldn't they have produced it....now I understand her snubbing them in Charlotte).

Surely if you were going to give me a fact-check article, you could find one that actually favored the point you were trying to make.

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Ben Jackson

3:29 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris -

Actually, it fully supports my point that 1. Elizabeth Warren grew up believing that she was part Native American, 2., that at the very worst, she is guilty of not researchign her own history as told to her by her family, and that 3., Scott Brown pulled this issue up again when he started trailing in the polls.

I don't know Elizabeth Warren's heritage. I believe that she believed she was Native American. There is ample evidence to prove that. Not sure how anythign in this article can be construed differently.

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Chris L.

3:36 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

There are many people in this world, whether through mental illness, drug addiction, or family stories that "believe" things that are simply not true.

If one is running for public office, one should immediately own up. If you claim to have a lineage to a certain group, you at least respect their wishes to sit down and talk about it. If all you have for them is "sorry, no paperwork, but plenty of family anecdotes", then you at least extend that courtesy. Perhaps she would have shown the Cherokee reps a little more courtesy if they had a large voting presence in MA? Maybe her snub of them was a calculated political move?

My contention with it is her unwillingness to fully come clean when it was 1st brought up. She wanted it to go away, but her explanation wasn't good enough, and Brown and others kept on her about it. She could have put it to bed in Charlotte and chose not to.

Political campaigns are expensive undertakings. And I'm not sure how campaigns are run in Oklahoma, but if Professor Warren thought she could dictate what is and what isn't an issue in her past just by her mere dismissive nature of it, well...apparently she hasn't learned a whole lot since moving to Massachusetts.

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Dave Lenane

5:28 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Ben....a man as smart as yourself is certainly not using having recipes published in a cookbook as proof of ancestry....please tell me no! And polls are never accurate my friend. Just last week WCVB had a poll on Wednesday claiming Warren was ahead by 4 points. The NEXT day they referred to their previous days poll as being incorrect and Brown was ahead by four points.
Should Warren's heritage be brought into this?.....Probably not. Is it an issue that she claimed it on her application?...I would say yes. When have you seen Dutch as an option when filling out an application that asks for Race? By the way....I'm an American. I was born in this country. And to be honest thats all anyone that was born here really is, and we should all be proud of that!

Paul Bishop

10:57 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

This racist behaviour by Brown's supporters is not isolated as Marlborough resident know.

There were several Brown folks who attended the Marlborough Labor Day Parade (where Ms Warren was marching) carrying placards saying "Lieawatha" and shouting war whoops and doing the chopping also. As the official photographer of the event, I was disgusted and refused to include them in the photos of the parade. This has hardly been an isolated occurance, and Mr Brown was present at the event and absolutely aware it was going on, as he also marched in the parade and was present at the assembly area during pre-parade staging, where these people began their whoops, chops, and "Lieawatha" chants. Thousands of residents of the city saw, heard, and can back up this disgusting behaviour. As to whether these people worked directly for Mr Brown I do not know, however, he clearly knew of their presence and did nothing to discourage their antics being performed in his name. Link to the Pre-Parade photography with the candidates, plublished in Marlborough Patch: http://marlborough.patch.com/blog_posts/candidates-turn-out-for-marlborough-labor-day-parade

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Chris L.

11:00 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

So, on the same token, the "Obamaphone" video that has gone viral is entirely Obama's fault. Brown has come out and renounced the behavior. What else do you want him to do?

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UglyHat

11:54 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris L. - it is scary that that woman is eligible to vote, isn't it. Imagine that all it takes for someone to help "keep Obama in president" is to give her an 'Obama-phone'. Yikes!

Paul Bishop

11:08 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

What is so disappointing to me is that I respect Mr Brown himself, and would probably choose him, were it not for his stance on medical research and end of life decisions. Mr Brown will likely lose this election based not upon his platform or the platform of his opponent, he will lose this election because of the absolutely revolting actions of his campaign staff. As a former Republican who felt it necessary to distance himself from what the party has become, We as a state will lose a very good representative, and a moderate Republican voice- one that spoke much of what I believe to be right. Though Ms Warren isn't my ideal either, I cannot in good conscience vote for or support Brown's campaign due to their banal conduct.

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FindBalance

11:12 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

I guess Atlanta Braves fans and Floridat State football fans are revolting, too.

Paul Bishop

11:27 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

Find Balance, actually, they are. It's a stereotype, but the thing is, it is *less* offensive because they are not itending it to be a derogatory statement. Brown's staff clearly meant to use it as an insult, to debase. This is far worse than joining a crowd in what is a show of support for their sports team, as off-color that support is. You are correct, none of them should be doing it- but using it as an insult and indictment is a direct slap in the face to every single Native American.. including Ms Brown, who has produced government accepted records of her heritage (gg grandmothers marriage license lists her as Cherokee). Ms Warren never claimed to be a member of any tribe, only that she indeed has Cherokee in her family several generations ago. EVEN IF that were not true, it would not be deception on Ms Warren's part, she was merely acting appropriately given that her parents, grandparents, and even government documents have told her she had this heritage.

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UglyHat

11:50 am on Friday, September 28, 2012

It IS deception. She listed herself as a minority up until the point she didn’t need to anymore, then she stopped. She never lived a day as a minority. She never suffered discrimination because of her cheekbones. She used the system to gain an advantage that was meant for someone else.

Claim there is no proof all you want. Those of us that use common sense know what she did and we know it is wrong. The Senate is just another rung in the ladder she is climbing. And we are the people she intends to step on next.

FindBalance

12:03 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

The chop was used to call out Warren’s claims of being a Native American, for which she had no proof when she made the claim to get an advantage over others (else why check the box?) for *important and prestigious positions*; you better be sure of your claim to a particular heritage if you expect it to be used in consideration (again, else why check the box?) for such positions of importance. “clearly meant to use it as an insult, to debase” Your (and other posters’) descriptions of this are overly dramatic as well as being incorrect, and it was clearly directed toward Elizabeth Warren, and not Native Americans.

“but using it as an insult and indictment is a direct slap in the face to every single Native American” How do you come to the conclusion that the mere use of the chop is an insult, indictment, and slap in the face of every Native American? Is that why Braves fans, FSU fans, and even Brown supporters used it? Brown supporters used it to link Elizabeth Warren to her unsubstantiated claims that she is of Native American heritage, not to insult Native Americans.

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Paul Bishop

12:12 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

She checked a box denoting Ethnicity included Native American, and that is all.. and her ethnicity, as supported by the legal document of the marriage license, is exactly as she stated- several generations back there was Cherokee in her family. She told the TRUTH, despite any attempts to deny that fact. Discrimination against her is not required for her to have an ancestor who was Cherokee.

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UglyHat

12:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

She used the system to gain an advantage that was meant for someone else.

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Chris L.

12:23 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Democrats, for some reason, seem to have a problem following the rules and providing documentation on things, especially vital records. Because no one, anywhere, ever, has put false or unsubstantiated information on a marriage or birth certificate.

Why is this a recurring theme in the Democratic party? I would have had more respect for her if she came out and said, "Yes, there were stories in my family of my heritage, and while I wholeheartedly believe them, I have not self-identified, because that would lead to preferential treatment, and that is wrong."

Of course, that's NOT what she came out and said, is it?

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Paul Bishop

12:47 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Chris, facts are facts and the documents show her gg gmother was Cherokee. Clearly it is you that is having problems understanding that a proven fact is a fact, even if it doesn't line up with your dogmatic denial.

Your descent into "birther" nonsense makes it clear where you come from.

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Chris L.

12:50 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

A quick sitdown with Cherokee Nation reps at the DNC, after which they could have said something to the effect of "We stand by Mrs. Warren's claims of Cherokee heritage, and wish her all the best in her run for US Senate."

But she ducked them. She told us what she wanted us to hear, then dismissed us and our demand for evidence. But yet, some people buy it.

What about her makes her so trustworthy to you? That is not meant as a snarky question, i'm legitimately curious, because I do not share the same sense of trust in her that you obviously do. I would like to know your mindset.

Paul Bishop

12:22 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

So considering that she HAS provided legal documentation of this Cherokee great great grandmother, and you cannot produce a single shred of evidence to the contrary, or that Ms Warren had ANY reason to believe that her parents and relatives were lying to her (which they weren't), why don't you just walk away from this? You are defending what is a politically motivated lie on the part of Brown's staff, which is sad.

As the article states, maybe Mr Brown has chosen his staff very poorly- and the result is that he may lose this election based upon the actions of miscreants and not on the merits of the candidates themselves.

Alternatively, if Mr Brown stands by the disgusting behaviour of his staff, he shouldn't hold office, anywhere.

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UglyHat

12:31 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

So, if she is a minority, why hasn’t she been consistent? Why hasn’t she always listed herself as a minority? Why did she stop listing herself as a minority?

If she is elected, will the senate and Massachusetts constituents celebrate her as the first Native American Senator from Massachusetts? Of course not, because she is not a minority! She is not Native American.

FindBalance

12:35 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Would the proof that Warren offered of her Native American heritage qualify her as a minority candidate? Serious question - I honestly don't know the answer...

But as to your references, Paul, to miscreants and disgusting behaviour - while it might have been a little juvenille, your description is wayyyyyy overly-dramatic. And the remedy that Brown shouldn't hold office because some staffers were a little juvenille is rather severe.

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Chris L.

12:41 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

If Warren is at peace with her flippant explanation to those of us beneath her (MA voters), then why wouldn't she sit in a room with the representatives from the Cherokee Nation that flew to meet her in Charlotte earlier this month? Surely they had enough information to crosscheck her "family lore".

It's only "not an issue" because she wants it to go away. When you run for public office, that's not how being in the spotlight works. If someone uncovers a parking ticket from your freshman year of college, you have to own up to it.

This whole situation reeks of Coakley's refusal to shake hands outside Fenway. If the Dems want to put up a female candidate, why do they keep selecting the "better than you" Democrats? How about one who has had an actual job in the business world, and not high paying jobs in Law?

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Paul Bishop

12:43 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

As to why she stopped, I cannot say, other than maybe she felt that she MIGHT be getting special treatment and wanted to operate on her own merits. That is not at question, Uglyhat.. interesting, would like to know the rationale-- but hardly evidence of misleading anyone.

And, if she is elected and has partial Cherokee ethnicity, then that would be acceptable. Since it is apparent her ethnicity is real, if someone decided they wanted to do that, I guess it would be okay. That being said, I don't want anyone getting elected upon their ethnicity, minority or otherwise, and making a big deal over ethnicity serves no benefit but is potentially divisive, as this nonsense shows.

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UglyHat

1:03 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Divisive? So when Deval Patrick was hailed as the first African-American governor of Massachusetts that was divisive? And when Barrack Obama was celebrated as the first African-American President of the United States that was divisive?
It was not divisive. It was celebrated (as it should be) as another step on the long road away from discrimination in many forms. There have been many instances of females and other minorities elected to high office – and celebrated as such.
But I don’t think this will be one of those instances. First because I don’t think she will win. Second, because if she does win, she will quash any such celebrations so that she can put this behind her. Third, there are no organizations or media outlets who believe her enough to sponsor such a celebration.
And that is because she is not a minority. She was raised a mid-western, middle class Caucasian and although she has dropped the mid-western and middle-class part, she is still Caucasian.

Paul Bishop

12:55 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

You still cannot deny the documented Cherokee Great Great Grandmother, which makes Ms Warren absolutely right. As for meeting members of the Tribe, Ms Warren has NEVER claimed membership in any tribe, only that her ethnic background included Native American, which is true.

Paranoiacs and Birthers will not be swayed by facts, documents, or the truth- we have all seen this before. Why not run on a PLATFORM, including his decent views and voting record, rather than centering a campaign on "If I call her a liar over and over someone might think it's true".

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UglyHat

1:04 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I won’t deny that her great, great grandmother was Cherokee, though I haven’t seen the documentation. What I will deny is that that makes her a minority. My great, great grandmother was Canadian. I have never and will never consider myself Canadian, and I would never check a box saying that I am just to gain an advantage meant for someone else.

Integrity matters.

Chris L.

12:57 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

you're right Paul. Before (and during) her tenure at Harvard, she was also collecting big money from big insurance. Her litigation record AGAINST the little guy also speals volumes.

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Paul Bishop

2:08 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Well, Uglyhat, it isn't you or I that decide what percentage of ethnicity is required.

Bill John Baker, principal chief of the Cherokee Nation—is 1/32 Cherokee. The same percentage as Ms Warren. However, she never claimed to be a MEMBER of any tribe, only denoted her ethnic heritage. Since it is clear that her ancestor was indeed Native American, making her 1/32, she has exactly the same amount of right to refer to that ethnicity as THE CHIEF OF THE CHEROKEE NATION.

Integrity does matter. Those who deny what are clearly facts have none.

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UglyHat

2:26 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

But I do get to decide (for myself) what I believe to be right and wrong.

And I don’t believe that it is “clear that her ancestor was indeed Native American”. I’m not prepared to outright deny it but that doesn’t mean it is clear to me either. And I’m not alone; the Washington Post seems to be confused as well (from yesterday):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/27/the-fight-over-elizabeth-warrens-heritage-explained/

Nothing about this is clear. If Elizabeth Warren would answer questions about it and provide proof, perhaps it would be clear. Until she does that, I will assume she has something to hide.

Linda Worthy

2:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

We now have three occasions in which Brown supporters engaged in physical actions and chants that Native Americans find to be racist. When Brown witnessed or heard about these behaviors the first or the second time, he apparently did not caution his staff to not engage in such behavior. This is a failure of leadership.
His staffers were no doubt emboldened by his 'person of color' comment during the first debate. One wonders if such offensive behavior was common within Brown's office where there were no cameras -- or maybe there were.

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FindBalance

2:31 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Your incessant bloviating is getting tiresome, Linda. The "physical actions and chants" were directed at Elizabeth Warren to link her to her unsubstantiated claims that she is of Native American heritage, not to insult Native Americans.

And as many time as you bring up the ridiculous implication, Linda, that Brown emboldened people to do it becaue of his 'person of color' comment, I will keep reminding you that Elizabeth Warren was the one who first brought up physical features as proof of her heritage.

You must be going for the "repeat it enogh times and it will become true" tactic. Weak.

FindBalance

2:20 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I ask again - Would the % claims to have proof of (1/32?) that Warren offered of her Native American heritage qualify her as a minority candidate? That is the only thing that matters to the issue...

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Paul Bishop

2:23 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Actually, No, FindBalance. It is only her opponent and his supporters who insist that she be some type of minority candidate after their FAILED mudslinging and dishonesty. She has not, nor has she ever promulgated herself as a minority candidate. Your lack of honesty is confusing even you...

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FindBalance

2:38 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I guess I was did not ask my question well enough. It is not whether her % Native American heritage qualifies her as a minority candidate for the Senate (no one is calling that into question that she is using that in her run for the Senate). The question should have asked if 1/32 qualifies her as a minoroty candidate for college acceptance, application for Harvard Law Prof ,and whatever else she checked the box off for. My bad for being too vague in my haste.

I's still be interested in the answer, if anyone knows...

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Dave Lenane

5:32 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

I find it funny that Warren supporters are here bashing Scott Brown. But that there is also a very similar blog expressing what Big Chief Warren needs to do to win the election, and yet there is not ONE comment on it. It begs me to ask... Who is really worried about their candidate? Even you Warren supporters have to admit, that that's a pretty good point!

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Dave Lenane

5:33 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012

Ben....a man as smart as yourself is certainly not using having recipes published in a cookbook as proof of ancestry....please tell me no! And polls are never accurate my friend. Just last week WCVB had a poll on Wednesday claiming Warren was ahead by 4 points. The NEXT day they referred to their previous days poll as being incorrect and Brown was ahead by four points.
Should Warren's heritage be brought into this?.....Probably not. Is it an issue that she claimed it on her application?...I would say yes. When have you seen Dutch as an option when filling out an application that asks for Race? By the way....I'm an American. I was born in this country. And to be honest thats all anyone that was born here really is, and we should all be proud of that!

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Proud Resident of Northborough

12:00 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Couple of points:

Warren’s salary of $340K and the fact that she only teaches ONE class for that money is fair game. Particularly when she decries the cost of higher education.
Warren claims to be for the little guy. She made much of her money by flipping foreclosed houses, and another chunk by litigating against asbestos victims. Hypocritical?

Lastly, no one is attacking her heritage. They are attacking the fact that everything to date points to her LYING about her heritage. If she didn’t game the system it would be extremely easy for her to release her job applications and put this to rest. The fact that she refuses, speaks volumes.There is a reason her handlers no longer let her speak on her ads. She is a fake and it comes across every time she opens her mouth.

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Nod

1:01 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Interesting to see how much time is spent discussing whether or not Elizabeth Warren is Native-American. Also, a person's wealth does not mean that they do not have the interest of the working class at heart or that they will not work for all of the people. Not all wealthy people were born into wealth.

The issue should be can Ms. Warren do the job and truly represent the people of MA. As a child I was told that my paternal grandmother was "part Native-American" and believed it, esp. since everyone said my father and his brothers had Native American features. I was aroud 50 y.o. when I made a comment to my father about his mother being part "Indian" (the word that had been used prior to our knowledge of the transition to what is politically correct). He responded, "Indian, what Indian, she was half-white!" I didn't ask what her other "half" was. All those years I thought I was part Native-American. Many of us only know what we have been told about our heritage, which is not always correct.

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Dave Lenane

2:16 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012

Again Nod....when you check a box on an application that gives you a status as a minority, it is a big deal! That is when affirmative action kicks in and special considerations kick in. It's an issue that needs to be, and should be answered by Warren. The fact that she blatantly lied to get that consideration asks ...What else has she lied about????

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